Tuesday, July 8, 2025

Deal_Time

 Copilot:

The value of the American dollar with respect to other currencies has been going down in 2025. Has the value of American imports gone up or down at the same time?

๐Ÿ“‰ As the U.S. dollar has weakened in 2025, the value of American imports has generally gone down—but not in the way you might expect.

Here’s what’s happening:

Higher Costs for Imports: A weaker dollar means it takes more dollars to buy the same amount of foreign goods. So, the price of imports has gone up, especially for items priced in stronger foreign currencies.

Lower Import Volume: Because of these rising costs—plus newly imposed tariffs—U.S. importers are buying fewer goods overall. The National Retail Federation forecasts a 20% year-over-year decline in imports during the second half of 2025.

Tariff Impact: Tariffs as high as 104% on Chinese goods and baseline 10% rates on imports from other countries have further discouraged importing.

So while the cost per unit of imports has increased, the total value of imports (in terms of volume) has dropped. It’s a classic case of economic push-and-pull: higher prices, lower demand.

Want to dig into how this affects consumer prices or specific industries?


Let's be clear; I want to know how America's trade deficit is behaving...

๐Ÿ“Š Got it, Louise—let’s zero in on the U.S. trade deficit in 2025.

Here’s the current picture:

The overall trade deficit is widening again. After a sharp drop in April (from $138.3B to $61.6B) due to a temporary surge in exports and a dip in imports, the deficit rose back to $71.5B in May as exports fell and imports stabilized.

Agricultural trade is a major contributor. The U.S. ag trade deficit hit a record $19.7B in the first four months, and is projected to reach $49.5B by year-end, the largest ever recorded3.

Tariffs are reshaping trade flows. Anticipation of reciprocal tariffs led to a front-loading of imports early in the year, but now that tariffs are in effect, import volumes are declining while prices rise.

Year-to-date, the goods and services deficit is up 65.7% compared to 2024, driven by strong domestic demand and a weaker dollar.

So in short: while the dollar’s decline has made imports more expensive and slowed their volume, the trade deficit is still growing—especially in agriculture—because exports haven’t kept pace. It’s a complex dance of currency, policy, and global competition.

Want to explore how this might affect inflation or domestic industries next?


What have been the historical trends in America's trade deficit?

๐Ÿ“š America's trade deficit has followed a fascinating arc over the centuries, shaped by industrialization, globalization, and shifting economic priorities.

๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ธ Long-Term Historical Trends

1800–1870: The U.S. ran trade deficits nearly every year, averaging –2.2% of GDP. As a young, agrarian economy, it imported manufactured goods from Europe while exporting raw materials like cotton and grain.

1870–1970: This was the era of persistent trade surpluses, averaging +1.1% of GDP. Industrialization gave the U.S. a competitive edge in manufacturing, and exports surged.

Post-1970: The U.S. returned to consistent trade deficits, which have continued to this day. This shift coincided with the rise of global supply chains, outsourcing, and increased consumer demand for imported goods.

๐Ÿ“ˆ Recent Decades

1980s–1990s: Trade deficits grew as manufacturing jobs moved overseas and consumer imports soared.

2000s–2020s: The deficit widened further, especially with countries like China and Mexico. In 2024, the U.S. had a $1.2 trillion goods trade deficit, with the largest gaps in electronics, machinery, and apparel.

2025: The deficit has fluctuated month-to-month, with a sharp drop in April followed by a rebound in May to $71.5 billion.

These trends reflect deeper structural shifts—from industrial dominance to a service-based economy, and from domestic production to global interdependence.

Want to explore how this affects jobs, inflation, or America's global influence?


Ignoring April numbers, is the trade deficit accelerating or decelerating? And what was it doing in 2024?

๐Ÿ“ˆ Ignoring April’s dramatic dip, the U.S. trade deficit in 2025 is accelerating again.

Here’s how it’s unfolding:

March 2025: The deficit peaked at $138.3B, driven by strong import demand.

April 2025: A sharp drop to $61.6B, largely due to front-loaded imports and temporary export boosts.

May 2025: The deficit rebounded to $71.5B, signaling a return to widening trends2.

So if we exclude April, the trajectory from January through May shows a net increase, suggesting acceleration.

๐Ÿ”™ What happened in 2024?

The annual trade deficit in 2024 was $918.4B, up 17% from 2023.

Monthly deficits ranged from $63.9B in December to $81.5B in September, with a general upward drift in the second half.

The largest contributors were goods imports, especially from China, Mexico, and the EU.

In short: 2024 saw a steady rise, and 2025 (excluding April) is continuing that upward momentum. Want to explore how this might affect interest rates or the dollar’s global role?


So it is basically on an unsustainable track??

๐Ÿงจ It’s certainly showing signs of stress, Louise.

The widening U.S. trade deficit—especially in 2024 and 2025—is leaning toward a structurally unsustainable track, if the pattern continues unchecked. Here’s why economists are sounding the alarm:

⚠️ Why It’s Potentially Unsustainable

Persistent Imbalances: Year-over-year increases in the deficit, despite currency devaluation and tariffs, suggest deeper structural weaknesses.

Debt Dependency: A growing trade deficit often translates to heavier reliance on foreign capital to fund domestic consumption. That can balloon national debt.

Export Underperformance: Despite global demand, U.S. exports have lagged—especially in agriculture and manufacturing—while import costs keep climbing.

Dollar Weakness: A declining dollar usually boosts exports and curbs imports. But that hasn’t happened fast enough, which points to limited elasticity in trade flows.

๐ŸŒ€ What Could Stabilize It?

Boosting export competitiveness through innovation or reshoring manufacturing.

Negotiating fairer trade deals or adjusting tariffs to enhance strategic sectors.

Reducing domestic overconsumption of imported consumer goods.

Economists debate how long this imbalance can last. But the trajectory suggests that without major adjustments, the trade gap could become a drag on economic growth and global competitiveness.

Want to explore how policymakers are responding—or not responding—to the warning signs?


To what extent are these numbers benign... caused by successful American companies operating in other countries??

๐ŸŒ Great question, Louise—because not all trade deficits are created equal.

Some portion of the U.S. trade deficit can be considered benign, especially when it reflects the global success of American companies. Here’s how that works:

✅ When the Deficit Reflects Strength

Foreign Operations of U.S. Firms: American multinationals like Apple, Microsoft, and Caterpillar manufacture abroad and sell globally. Their overseas profits often don’t show up in trade data, even though they benefit the U.S. economy.

Global Supply Chains: U.S. companies import components or finished goods they designed or branded. These imports count against the trade balance, but the profits often flow back to U.S. shareholders.

Investment Income: The U.S. earns more from foreign investments than it pays out. So while the trade deficit is negative, the current account (which includes investment income) can be more balanced.

⚠️ But There Are Limits

Profit Repatriation Is Uneven: Many companies keep profits offshore to avoid taxes, so the U.S. doesn’t always benefit directly.

Job Displacement: Even if companies are thriving globally, domestic workers may lose out if production shifts overseas.

Structural Imbalances: A persistent deficit can still signal overconsumption, underinvestment in exports, or weak competitiveness in key sectors.

So yes, part of the deficit reflects the success of American enterprise abroad, but it’s not entirely benign. It’s like having a high credit card bill because you’re investing in a business—it might be smart, but it’s still debt.

Want to explore how this plays out in specific industries like tech or agriculture?


Who are the economists who might be thinking globally about these issues. The Administration is looking for deals, but the partner countries don't know where the trade-offs and leverage points are??

๐ŸŒ You're tapping into a real tension, Louise—between domestic trade politics and the global economic chessboard. Several economists and institutions are thinking globally about trade deficits, leverage points, and the ripple effects of U.S. policy:

๐Ÿง  Influential Thinkers & Analysts

Zhou Mi – A senior researcher at the Chinese Academy of International Trade and Economic Cooperation, Zhou has warned that U.S. tariffs are disrupting global supply chains and increasing uncertainty for partner countries.

Goldman Sachs Research Team – Their recent analysis suggests that U.S. companies are passing on 70% of tariff costs to consumers, which affects domestic inflation and global competitiveness.

JPMorgan Chase Analysts – They highlight how midsize U.S. firms are disproportionately exposed to tariff hikes, especially those reliant on imports from high-tariff countries like China.

Council on Foreign Relations (CFR) – Their backgrounder on the U.S. trade deficit explores how bilateral and global deficits interact, and why some economists argue that deficits aren’t inherently harmful—but can become problematic when sustained.

Accounting Insights Team – Their comprehensive analysis dives into how trade deficits affect employment, currency valuation, and foreign investment, offering a broader lens for policymakers.

๐Ÿ” Why Partner Countries Are Confused

Tariff Volatility: Sudden hikes (like the 10% blanket tariff in April) make it hard for trade partners to predict U.S. policy and negotiate long-term deals.

Lack of Clear Trade-Offs: The U.S. is pushing for better terms, but hasn’t clearly defined what it’s willing to give up—leaving partners unsure of leverage points.

Mixed Signals: While the administration seeks deals, domestic rhetoric often emphasizes protectionism, creating diplomatic friction.

If the administration wants meaningful deals, it may need to clarify its strategic goals and engage with economists who understand both domestic pressures and global interdependencies.

Want to explore how these economists might advise on reshaping trade strategy—or how partner countries are responding?


Tell me what is going for tech and agriculture...

๐Ÿšœ๐Ÿ“ฑ Let’s break down what’s happening in agriculture and tech—two sectors at the heart of America’s trade story in 2025.

๐ŸŒพ Agriculture: Record Trade Deficit, Strategic Drift

The U.S. agricultural trade deficit hit $19.7B through April and is projected to reach $49.5B by year-end, the largest ever2.

Imports are booming—$78.2B so far—driven by high-value consumer-ready goods like fruits, vegetables, nuts, wine, and coffee.

Exports are lagging, stuck at $58.5B, mostly bulk commodities like grains and soybeans.

Global competition is fierce: Brazil, Australia, and the EU are signing trade deals and investing in infrastructure, while the U.S. lacks a clear strategy.

Tariff uncertainty and weak market access (especially in China and the EU) are making U.S. producers hesitant to invest.

In short, agriculture is facing a strategic vacuum—strong domestic demand but poor global positioning.

๐Ÿ’ป Tech: Resilient but Vulnerable

Tech imports are rising, especially in semiconductors, computers, and consumer electronics.

Tariffs are reshaping supply chains: U.S. firms are shifting sourcing away from China, but trans-shipments through countries like Vietnam are complicating enforcement.

Exports of capital goods (including medical equipment and aircraft) fell in May, contributing to the trade deficit rebound.

Despite this, U.S. tech firms remain globally dominant, with strong demand for software, cloud services, and IP licensing—though these don’t always show up in trade data.

Tech is holding its ground, but the hardware side is exposed to tariff shocks and supply chain disruptions.

Want to zoom in on how these trends affect jobs, innovation, or trade negotiations?


For comparison, what is Canada's balance of payments situation, and is the current account positive?

๐Ÿ‡จ๐Ÿ‡ฆ Canada’s balance of payments in early 2025 paints a mixed picture—some resilience, but also signs of strain.

๐Ÿ“Š Current Account: Still in Deficit

In Q1 2025, Canada ran a current account deficit of CAD 2.1 billion, down from CAD 3.6 billion in Q4 2024.

This narrowing was driven by a stronger investment income surplus (CAD 1.8B), thanks to higher profits earned by Canadian companies abroad.

However:

The goods deficit widened to CAD 0.5B.

The services deficit edged up to CAD 0.89B.

So while the deficit shrank, the current account remains negative, meaning Canada is still importing more than it earns from exports and investment income.

๐Ÿ’ฐ Financial Account: Mixed Capital Flows

Foreign direct investment in Canada rose to CAD 28.2B, a sign of confidence in Canadian assets.

But there was a record foreign divestment from Canadian securities—CAD 9.4B pulled out, including CAD 40.6B from equities.

Canadian investors also increased holdings of foreign securities by CAD 36.5B, showing outbound capital movement.

๐Ÿงฎ Overall Balance of Payments

Canada’s balance of payments is being propped up by financial inflows, especially direct investment. But the current account deficit signals underlying trade and income imbalances—not unlike the U.S., though on a smaller scale.

Want to compare how this affects the Canadian dollar or interest rate policy?


Tell me why the Canadian dollar is low with respect to the Euro...

                                                                                   


๐Ÿ‡จ๐Ÿ‡ฆ๐Ÿ’ถ The Canadian dollar (CAD) has been trending lower against the Euro (EUR) in 2025, currently hovering around €0.62 per $1 CAD, down nearly 8% year-over-year2. Here’s what’s driving the decline:

๐Ÿฆ Interest Rate Differentials

The European Central Bank (ECB) has maintained relatively tight monetary policy, keeping interest rates higher to combat inflation.

Meanwhile, the Bank of Canada has signaled caution, with slower rate hikes or even pauses—making Canadian assets less attractive to global investors.

๐Ÿ“‰ Commodity Price Softness

Canada’s economy is heavily tied to natural resources like oil and metals.

In 2025, global commodity prices have softened, reducing export revenues and weakening CAD demand.

๐Ÿ’ธ Capital Outflows

Canadian investors have increased holdings of foreign securities, while foreign investors have pulled back from Canadian equities—a net capital outflow that pressures the currency.

๐ŸŒ Global Risk Sentiment

The Euro has benefited from safe-haven flows amid geopolitical tensions and trade uncertainty.

Canada’s exposure to U.S. trade policy and its own widening current account deficit has made the CAD more vulnerable.

So while the Canadian economy isn’t in crisis, the CAD’s weakness reflects a mix of lower investor appetite, commodity headwinds, and monetary divergence with the Eurozone.

Want to explore how this affects travel, imports, or investment strategy?


The British pound is holding; could Canada learn anything from their example??

๐Ÿ‡ฌ๐Ÿ‡ง๐Ÿ“‰ Absolutely, Louise—Canada could glean a few strategic lessons from the British pound’s relative resilience in 2025.

๐Ÿง  What’s Working for the Pound

Higher Interest Rates: The Bank of England has kept its base rate at 4.25%, compared to Canada’s 2.75%. This attracts global capital and supports the pound’s strength.

Political Stability: The UK’s recent election brought a clear mandate and policy direction, boosting investor confidence and currency demand.

Diversified Economy: The UK’s economy is less reliant on commodities, which shields it from the price swings that often drag down the Canadian dollar.

Global Financial Role: The pound remains a major reserve currency, benefiting from safe-haven flows during global uncertainty.

๐Ÿ What Canada Could Consider

Interest Rate Strategy: Canada might explore a more assertive rate policy to attract capital—though this must be balanced against domestic inflation and growth.

Economic Diversification: Reducing reliance on resource exports and investing in high-value sectors (like tech and clean energy) could stabilize the loonie.

Clear Trade Policy: The UK has pursued targeted trade deals post-Brexit. Canada could benefit from a more strategic approach, especially amid U.S. tariff tensions.

Investor Confidence: Strengthening transparency and long-term fiscal planning could help counteract capital outflows.

In short, the pound’s strength isn’t just luck—it’s a mix of monetary discipline, strategic positioning, and investor trust. Canada’s challenges are different, but the UK’s playbook offers some useful pages.

Want to dive into how Canada could apply these lessons in its next budget or trade negotiations?


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Does Canada export copper to the US?

Yes it does! ๐Ÿ‡จ๐Ÿ‡ฆ Canada exported $4.06 billion worth of copper to the United States in 2024. That includes a wide range of copper products like:

Copper wire: $1.93 billion

Refined copper and alloys: $1.44 billion

Copper waste and scrap: $394 million

Copper tubes and pipes: $181 million

Plus smaller exports like copper sheets, fittings, foil, and even copper springs

The U.S. is one of Canada's top copper trading partners, alongside countries like China and Japan. Want to explore how this trade impacts industries like construction or clean energy?


What provinces do this?

Copper exports from Canada to the U.S. are driven by production in a handful of key provinces:

๐Ÿ› ️ British Columbia

Leads the pack, producing 46% of Canada’s copper in 2023

Home to major mines like Highland Valley and Gibraltar

Exports mostly copper concentrate


⚙️ Ontario

Contributed 44% of national output

Known for refined copper and copper-based products

Sudbury region is a major hub


๐Ÿ”ง Quebec

Produced about 3.5% of Canada’s copper

Hosts refining facilities in Montrรฉal and Rouyn-Noranda

Plays a key role in copper recycling and smelting


๐Ÿ”ฉ Manitoba

Accounted for 2.4% of production

Smaller but still active in mining and processing

Together, these provinces shape Canada’s copper trade, with B.C. and Ontario doing the heavy lifting. Want to dig into how these regions use copper domestically or how they support clean energy goals?


What is the tariff on copper announced today by President Trump?

๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ธ As of today, President Donald Trump announced a 50% tariff on copper imports during a cabinet meeting in Washington. He stated, “Today we’re doing copper,” but did not specify when the tariff will take effect.

This move is part of a broader strategy to impose sector-specific duties, with copper joining the list alongside steel, aluminum, and potentially pharmaceuticals—which Trump hinted could face tariffs as high as 200% in the future6.

Copper prices surged dramatically following the announcement, hitting record highs in New York trading7. Given that Canada is a major copper exporter to the U.S., this could have significant implications for Canadian producers and trade relations8.

Want to explore how this might affect copper industries in provinces like B.C. and Ontario?


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So effectively, all these tariffs on goods imported to the US come down to lowering the value of the US dollar with respect to the currency of it's trading partners, only the benefit of that readjustment going to US government coffers??

You're touching on some deep mechanics of international trade and currency dynamics here, Louise. Tariffs like the one Trump just announced on copper do have ripple effects, but they don’t directly lower the value of the U.S. dollar—instead, they reshape the terms of trade, the flow of goods, and sometimes the balance of payments.

Here’s how it plays out:

๐Ÿ’ฐ Tariff revenue goes to the U.S. government, yes—but it’s not exactly a currency devaluation mechanism.

  • When the U.S. slaps tariffs on imported goods, it raises costs for American buyers and may reduce demand for foreign goods.

  • This could lower imports, potentially improving the U.S. trade balance, which might strengthen the dollar in theory.

  • But if retaliatory tariffs kick in, exports could fall too—weakening the dollar instead.

๐Ÿ“‰ Currency valuation is shaped more by:

  • Interest rates, inflation, investor confidence, and central bank policies

  • Trade flows matter, but they’re just part of the picture

๐ŸŽฏ Politically, tariffs may be pitched as boosting domestic industries—but economically, they can trigger:

  • Higher consumer prices

  • Supply chain disruptions

  • Tension with trading partners (Canada, in this case)

So while the government collects more revenue via tariffs, it’s not a neat exchange for currency devaluation. The real-world outcome depends on how markets, foreign governments, and industries respond.

Want to explore how Canadian producers might shift strategy or pricing in response to this move?


Is there a possible win-win scenario involving Canada, here?

Absolutely, Louise. Despite the tension stirred by the new U.S. copper tariff, Canada has a few strategic cards to play that could lead to a win-win outcome:

๐ŸŒŽ Leverage Clean Energy Goals Canada’s copper is crucial for green tech—think EVs, solar panels, and wind turbines. By positioning its copper exports as essential to U.S. climate targets, Canada could negotiate tariff exemptions or reductions for “strategic minerals” that support clean energy.

๐Ÿค Bilateral Negotiation via CUSMA The Canada–U.S.–Mexico Agreement (CUSMA) includes mechanisms for resolving trade disputes. Canada could push for a sector-specific dialogue to address copper tariffs, especially if they threaten integrated supply chains or violate trade commitments.

๐Ÿ”„ Copper Recycling Partnerships Quebec’s Horne Smelter already recycles U.S. e-waste into copper. Canada could propose a joint recycling initiative that benefits both countries—reducing environmental impact while securing copper supply chains.

๐Ÿ“ˆ Tariff Revenue Redistribution According to the Bank of Canada’s latest scenarios, if tariff revenues are redistributed to households, it could soften the blow for consumers and create room for targeted subsidies to industries hit hardest.

๐ŸŒ Diversify Markets, But Keep U.S. Close While Canada explores new copper markets (e.g. Southeast Asia), it can still maintain strong U.S. ties by offering stable, ethical sourcing—a growing priority for American manufacturers.

In short, Canada can turn this challenge into an opportunity by aligning copper trade with shared goals like sustainability, supply chain resilience, and economic stability. Want to sketch out what a Canadian policy response might look like?


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