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 French History; am I correct in assuming that the pletora of French kings after Charlemagne all had kingdoms that pertained to some territory, rather than being King of the Franks??

That's a fascinating historical consideration! You're mostly correct in your assumption. After Charlemagne, the concept of kingship in what became France evolved significantly. Charlemagne ruled a vast Carolingian empire, and while he was officially titled "Emperor of the Romans," his dominion was expansive and included the Frankish territories.

After his death in 814, his empire was divided among his heirs, leading to a more fragmented rule. The Treaty of Verdun in 843 was especially crucial, as it split his empire into three distinct kingdoms, one of which—West Francia—eventually evolved into the Kingdom of France.

From that point forward, French kings were indeed rulers of specific geographic territories rather than simply being "King of the Franks." They gradually consolidated their power over France, but their authority was often challenged by powerful local nobles. Over time, especially with the Capetian dynasty starting in 987, French kings worked toward centralizing their control over the kingdom, reinforcing their dominion over territorial France rather than ruling under an ethnically-defined title.

It's a nuanced transition, but the shift from being the "King of the Franks" to the "King of France" reflected a broader change in governance, identity, and territorial sovereignty. Does this line up with what you were thinking?

Can you explain the key dynasties after Charlemagne?

Absolutely! After Charlemagne, several key dynasties shaped the history of France and Europe:

Carolingian Dynasty (751–987) – This was Charlemagne’s own dynasty, which ruled over the Frankish Empire. After his death in 814, his empire fragmented, leading to the Treaty of Verdun (843), which divided the empire among his grandsons. The Carolingians continued ruling parts of France until the death of Louis V in 987.

Capetian Dynasty (987–1328) – Hugh Capet, elected king in 987, founded this dynasty, marking the transition from the Carolingians to a more centralized French monarchy. The Capetians gradually expanded their control over France, laying the foundation for the modern French state.

House of Valois (1328–1589) – The Valois dynasty emerged after the Capetians. They ruled during the Hundred Years’ War and saw France evolve into a powerful European kingdom. Their reign ended with the death of Henry III.

House of Bourbon (1589–1792, 1814–1830) – The Bourbons, starting with Henry IV, ruled France until the French Revolution. They briefly returned to power after Napoleon but were ultimately replaced in 1830.

Each dynasty played a crucial role in shaping France’s political and cultural landscape. Would you like to explore a specific period in more detail?

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What I think is crucial in all this, but difficult to pinpoint, is the evolution of the concept of territory. Clearly for us, the concept of territory relates to coordinates on a map. But a territory in the days of Julius Caesar might have been quite different. Or again lands to be granted and exploited for agriculture, forests in which one could hunt...Later, rights of passage on a road and so forth. What markers might one consider in this evolution?

That’s a brilliant observation! The concept of territory has evolved dramatically over time, shaped by political, economic, and social factors. Here are some key markers in its transformation:

Ancient Conceptions (Roman & Greek Eras) – In Julius Caesar’s time, territory was less about precise borders and more about spheres of influence. Roman provinces were defined by military control and taxation rather than strict geographic boundaries. The Greeks, particularly in city-states like Athens and Sparta, saw territory as a communal space tied to citizenship.

Feudal Landholding (Medieval Europe) – Land was granted by monarchs to nobles in exchange for loyalty and military service. Territory was defined by land ownership, agricultural use, and feudal obligations rather than fixed borders.

Early Modern State Formation (16th–18th Century) – The rise of centralized monarchies, like France under Louis XIV, led to more formalized territorial boundaries. The concept of sovereignty became crucial, with rulers asserting control over defined lands rather than just people.

Colonial Expansion (17th–19th Century) – European powers began mapping and claiming vast territories overseas. Borders were drawn on maps, often arbitrarily, without regard for indigenous populations or natural geography.

Nation-State & Legal Borders (19th–20th Century) – The Treaty of Westphalia (1648) and later treaties formalized the idea of fixed national borders. By the 20th century, territory was tied to legal sovereignty, citizenship, and international law.

Modern Globalization & Digital Spaces (21st Century) – Today, territory isn’t just physical—it includes economic zones, cyberspace, and even space exploration. The internet has created virtual territories, while geopolitical disputes still shape physical borders.

If you’re interested in a deeper dive, you might enjoy this book on the evolution of territorial concepts or this analysis on how territory became central to political thought.

Would you like to explore how territorial disputes have shaped history?

https://www.taylorfrancis.com/chapters/edit/10.4324/9781315246512-6/evolution-concept-territory-jean-gottmann

https://press.uchicago.edu/ucp/books/book/chicago/B/bo15506915.html

Did Rome ever seek to control passage on the roads it had built?

Absolutely! The Romans were meticulous about controlling passage on their roads, which were vital for military movement, trade, and administration. Here’s how they managed it:

• Military Supervision: Roman roads were primarily built for the movement of legions. Military checkpoints and forts were strategically placed along major routes to monitor and control passage.

• Toll Stations: Some roads had tolls, where travelers had to pay fees for passage, especially when crossing bridges or entering cities.

• Legal Restrictions: Certain roads had regulations on who could use them. For example, some were reserved for official state business, while others had restrictions on heavy carts to prevent damage.

• Surveillance & Patrols: Roman authorities maintained patrols to ensure security, prevent banditry, and enforce road laws.

• Customs & Trade Control: Roads leading to major cities had customs stations where goods were inspected and taxed.

The Roman road network was one of the most sophisticated of its time, ensuring efficient movement while maintaining control over who traveled where. You can read more about it . Would you like to explore a specific road or policy in more detail?

https://www.worldhistory.org/article/758/roman-roads/